[Spoilers] Chainsaw Man - Episode 1 Discussion

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abhisnake3 years ago58

I knew someone would create a thread so early

Yonkou3 years ago4
When i did that for blue lock it got taken down lol

Removed3 years ago43

EYEPATCH DENJI IS SO CUTE
pochitas va is nanachi too i love this sm already

masochistic3 years ago100

why do they insist on using ass cg for up close shots i will never understand

enthernal3 years ago68
prob cause chainsaw man would be hard to draw frame by frame especially in such a close shot, it wasnt that noticable anyway
- Dotzu3 years ago99
  it felt too noticeable to me honestly
  - GummyKatana3 years ago
    @Dotzu
    Close ups like this?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Animemes/comments/y4nymd/ep_1_wa…
    Check out that PS2 Resident evil neck!

Yonkou3 years ago9

Imma torture myself and save this for the end of the day so i have something to look forward to. I cant wait!

Edit:One of the best 1st episodes of a new series i have ever seen

ThaUnknown3 years ago7

mmmmmmmmmmmmm blood :)

SarahWills3 years ago82

i liked it. cgi wasn’t as bad as i thought it’d be. soundtrack was sounding good too as to expect from Kensuke Ushio. seems promising so far. i hope the cgi isn’t a constant though it probably will be

bernkastel3 years ago37

it was really really good but the close up's w cgi were a bit meh

notpearitspeer3 years ago8
That goes for like every show with CGI ever but yeah it looks pretty rough. The rest were solid so I didn’t complain
- VinegarLove3 years ago25
  Definitely not true. There are good show with cgi used correctly and you won't even bother unless you pay attention. CGI/3d models has been around forever, lucky star or cowboy bebop and god's know how many old show used it. It works when done right. Not in this case in my opinion.
  - notpearitspeer3 years ago

PhosPhossu3 years ago3

kino.

weird3 years ago6

haven't read the manga but episode was pretty great and I'm hype for the next :3

ZNote3 years ago50

Within the first few minutes, it is easy to see why Chainsaw Man managed to capture the manga community's attention - the moroseness of its world (captured with washed-out colors in its anime adaptation) is embodied by its debt-ridden character who has already gone to staggering ends to pay them off, all the while cloaked in the idea of just wanting to be "normal." The cartoonishness of Pochita likewise embodies this juxtaposition, something wholesome underneath the darker macabre on the immediate surface.

This is a world that ultimately does not care about or for Denji, which implants in the audience the story of a hero surpassing that which he is condemned to be - forgotten and just another person not worth anything. The heavy bass and atonality in the flashback soundtrack is a reflection of just how low, and doomed, his fate is. To the yakuza, Denji is but a chainsaw - a tool, and nothing more.

As far as other things as concerned, the imagery in general is delightfully grotesque, bloody like a splatter flick and tinged with fluid animations throughout. The CGI is not an eyesore, appropriately showing off the unnaturalness of Denji's transformation, among other things. Tonally, the series allows itself to stew in its dark, twisted sense of humor (not trying to be laughingly-funny, but funny in the sense that you find something attractively-weird) of nihilism while opening the door for new, revived hopes. The seiyuu also clearly have a lot of fun voicing these characters, both in the quieter moments and the over-the-top violence. The choreography is also spot-on, smooth in its movement while also making clear that Denji's strikes are not as smooth as they could potentially be (he does a lot of flailing. After all, he's only just starting out - you can't expect perfection right away).

...so yeah, the show's alright, I guess :P

ahzxe3 years ago2

Removed3 years ago11

CGI Bruhh

Zigeuninja3 years ago46
the cgi looks great what are you on about. Of course 2D would've been better but then they would've had to sacrifice the fluidity of the animation
- XeroK3 years ago7
  seen the keni fight with levi from attack on titan? don't talk about an anime losing its fluidity with just being 2D
  - Zigeuninja3 years ago47
    "did you see literally one of the best animated scenes in anime ever? This show can't keep up this level of animation from the very beginning so it sucks" Nice argument

Hyliaforce3 years ago12

It looks awesome, cant wait to watch more

divine3 years ago31

Kensuke Ushio is GOATED. And the art and animation and voice acting and everything were great.

Only real concern was some CGI parts but its not even as bad as ppl made it out to be and also wasn't super prevalent. As long as they don't go all-in CGI for all the fights and long scenes going forward it should be fine.

Akisimp3 years ago27

sorry for the chainsaw man haters, unfortunately, some people can´t understand peak

yonko3 years ago39

i knew ppl would start commenting abt the cgi

Replete3 years ago20

Man such a good adaptation, Denji's VA did a phenomenal work.

What stole this episode was nothing but this cute blob of a weapon.

Watch video

Like wtf Pochitha chewing on bread and biting into denji's arm sounds were so cute.

The animation especially the fabrics during movements of characters, backgrounds and the airborne fight were all so good. (i swear if people are still complaining about well done cgi scenes in some cuts they are not serious)

Watch video
OP funny and not full of gore, i love it (had a smile plastered on my face throughout it)

Love the ed but wish the visuals were included in the episode as well

Even though i read the manga, the music during the flashback scene was so good that it had me emotional (Once again Denji's VA was great)

Sakuraplant3 years ago1

Awesome! I know it’s only had one episode released , but it’s a new favorite for me

RutraSan3 years ago5

good episode, great OSTs, animation was peak, yeah they made CGI but it's actually not that bad surprisingly, only on the close ups which were a bit weird but not completely out of the scene so it's fine.

setz3 years ago82

t-th-the cgi… it-it ruinedd t-the episode… chainsaw man is.. ruined cause of.. cgi…

seriously can yall shut up about it its not a big deal
peak episode

shuns3 years ago1
yeah idk it's honestly not that noticeable for me, i think they've improved trying to make it match with the 2d more since the most recent aot season
their cgi style is better than 90% of cgi in anime imo and i want to see it improve more since its a great tool
super surprised but also not surprised at all that people are whining about it lol, if they wanna let 3 seconds of a 3d model in an anime ruin their experience, then so be it

yonko3 years ago

A moving chainsaw on the head

JudasLibrary3 years ago48

I don't know how you can say it wasn't noticeable. the entire final fight was so painful to watch because of the very noticeable and very horrible CGI.

Tystolfo3 years ago104
I wouldn't say it was horrible, that's exaggerating but it was definitely noticeable for me. It didn't take away too much as I was still yelling in satisfaction at all the gore and blood and chainsaws but ya the CGI was definitely there.
Cilqnx3 years ago18
No way fr??? Could you please redo the fight then?
- JudasLibrary3 years ago31
  No way maybe you can idk... give the animators and staff like another year to work on it instead of rushing everything with this awful CGI? just maybe.
  I don't give this stupid logic of yours "oh you criticized this so it must mean you can do it better"
  - deadratinyourwalls3 years ago18
    Person responds with "oh yeah??? maybe you can do better then huh???" when therapist points out that they are in denial about ruining their own life
  - ShelbyPop3 years ago9
    I don't get why people hate CGI so much, I get sometimes it can be bad, but I didn't even know there was CGI in this episode until I hit this thread lol, people are weird I guess.
    Regime3 years ago12
    Maybe I'm not a good sample because I work in 3D but it was immediately obvious to me. I'm generally against CGI in anime (besides 3d backgrounds, which are great for camera angles), but if the execution is good enough I can forgive it. The CGI on foreground elements in CSM is about average for anime, but average CG for the anime industry is "pretty awful".
- Kuroe03 years ago18
  If you don't like a product you just bought, do you create one from zero or you return it?
  Criticism/feedback is a thing, learn to deal with it instead of acting like a 10yo.
- Merfin3 years ago20
  You guys need to take Mappa's dick out of your mouth for five seconds and see their obvious flaws. Your argument of "Can you do better?" makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
  - GummyKatana3 years ago2
    @L9tw Thank you. They really need to stop choking down so hard on mappa and see the reality of it.
    "Can you do it better?"
    STFU lol
  - zmeiz3 years ago
    Well, if you can't do better then that just means that Mappa's CGI is the best and nothing will change.
    Merfin3 years ago1
    Almost like animating isn't my fucking job, you know whose job it is though? MAPPA. And its clearly not the best when you take a look at how it is used by other studios such as Ufotable and Studio Orange. Comparing MAPPA's lazy and ugly CGI to other studios shows just how bad it truly is. Keep defending and praising bad quality animation though, I'm sure that will make future projects better.
XeroK3 years ago9
THANK GOD SOMEONE NOTICED AND WASN'T JUST MEAT RIDING THE ANIME
- GummyKatana3 years ago1
  @Xe0K I'm with you 100%! A lot of meat choking. They are also using bots on twitter to try to attack anyone who comments any valid criticism. If it's such a great show then why would they need bots?
NintenZura3 years ago39
Anime fans still acting like any form of CGI is "horrible" in 2022
- Caravela3 years ago8
  It's. It's anime, animation, 2D, and not 3D animation that looks worst than the five nights at Freddy's fan videos on youtube, not only that, they tried to hide it so hard in the trailers. Imagine ordering a pizza and being delivered soup.
  - NintenZura3 years ago10
    You do know anime stands for animation, not 2D animation? That 3D animation also is a form of animation?
    Caravela3 years ago5

Ynnuc3 years ago2

it honestly didnt bother me

ShuuSama3 years ago36

You should storm down to Mappa and demand them to remake the whole series, that'll show em

aeriswillow3 years ago9

Yeah the CG felt pretty jarring to me. Hopefully I'll get used to it

masochistic3 years ago7
my hopes aren't high considering this was their premiere episode.. i'm praying it was a one off and the rest of the fights don't look like that, especially considering how gorgeous the 2d animation was in the trailers. i hope mappa don't waste the ip with cgman the entire season, though with the amount of dickriding in this thread they'll probably be fine regardless of what they do lmao
- Keichi3 years ago13
  Open your eyes, classical MAPPA stuff. Same for SnK """"""Final Season""""""". Hand drawing trailer, with high saturation colors. Then when it release, CGI and rotoscoping everywhere with fade color palette :). It doesn't surprise me at all to be honest.
  - masochistic3 years ago3
    let me cope ;-;
    ContentContent3 years ago3
    no coping allowed, only sneed
    moorvi3 years ago2
    The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where "feed" and "seed" both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Feeduck and Seeduck".
- LeonardoMJP3 years ago3
  Don't have those expectations, I hope I'm wrong but the same happened to me when AOTS4 was realased, "uhh CGI, well it's the first episode, maybe it gonna improve in the next episodes" and then it got worse with the horrible cgi of Eren and scouts vs Warhammer
  - moorvi3 years ago2
    CRAPPA shouldn't have been allowed around CGI in the first place. We saw MAPPA's potential in JJK and they just scratched that and decided to use (bad) CGI in AoT S4 and CSM for no apparent reason whatsoever besides saving money (we all know this money won't go to the animators anyways).
    Caravela3 years ago10
    I'm going to say it! Mappa has no potential with 2D animation, they have already shown that they don't care about it and that they expect us to accept that 3D is the future of anime while all the other studios are still sticking with old school, for the best, Mappa and Jujutsu shouldn't even be related, the director animated himself a lot of scenes and it was him that contracted a handful of top tier freelancers, he deserved more credit, he was so mad he decided to make his own studio after jujutsu and i don't think he will be there for jujutsu 2. Mappa is the worst, they keep cutting corners and making the animation cheaper and cheaper while mixing it with 3D, they in this for the money and nothing else, they even invested their own money on Chainsaw man and marketed it to the sky, even got popular singers to call more people and all of this while hiding the real product from the trailers, it fking looks like a scam animation studio and everyone is liking being scammed, really hope most people are not watching this in paid streaming.

P1k3r13 years ago1

Smh my dude, you were two comments late. The CGI unappreciation comment should've been the 1st one. Better luck next time

discoloring3 years ago14

~MAPPA employees: *overworking themselves to the exhaustion, get paid the bare minimum *~
~~~People across the internet:
~~~

masochistic3 years ago12
who's talking shit about the employees? it's like eating a terrible new menu item at mcdonalds and blaming the employee who made it. you'd be crazy not to empathise with the employees, but mappa as a \company is at fault for even allowing it to happen on one of the most hyped shows this year. blame the suits, not the poor bastards at the bottom.
honestly i find it ridiculous when people come up with this "argument", same with 'well have you SEEN beserk 2016??'. why are you willingly eating the cocks of high level business execs who think cheaping out like this is okay? what do you stand to gain?
- GummyKatana3 years ago1
  @masochistic I'm with you bro. The issue is, choking cocks is just what they are about. They would rather gulp Mappa's loads then accept any honest criticism. It really is cringe asf.
Caravela3 years ago1
Don't bring the employees to this because somehow it's justifiable to say "Thank you mappa", when the CEO of mappa makes the employees work forever in jobs that have an impossible deadline like AoT final season, but it's not justifiable to say the "CGI is a bad" thing when the CEO hides it the best he can from the trailers, also, who do u think fking animates CGI, not animators right???

Avadacannon3 years ago

Agree, but this one aint there...

VinegarLove3 years ago
That is what i was implying. This one feels off.

NicCantCode3 years ago7

When CGI is done well, you often can't even tell it was done in 3D.

It's the same technique used in 2D video games. Take the recent indie game "Dead Cells" for example. The character in that game is modeled and animated in 3D, but by clever use of shaders and lighting, it renders and appears 2D.

Like @notpearitspeer said. A lot of anime have made use of CGI in a way that makes use of clever angles and shaders to such an extent that it looks no different than traditionally animated anime.

It just makes the animator's jobs easier, more often than not. It's just not something that is easy to do correctly.

They clearly tried to do it well here, and honestly, I've see some real shit CGI in anime - hell, I've deleted anime from my list for having bad CGI - and this CGI was probably a solid 7-8/10 in comparison to other noticeable CGI.

In my opinion, of course.

ZNote3 years ago5

Haha, thank you!
I'd like to think that I sometimes know what I'm talking about XD

Nortia3 years ago3

I dont remember any shounen where the world cares about the protagonist in an inherent way.
Denji is simply even dumber, unluckier than other characters like him (like the big 3 shounen). Don't have much to argue about the rest of your writing.

ZNote3 years ago1
I dont remember any shounen where the world cares about the protagonist in an inherent way.
I probably should have clarified that my comment wasn't meant to show how Chainsaw Man is different in that respect, since it was more meant to illustrate how the series goes about showing the uncaring world as it relates to Denji. Regardless, that's on me for not being clear enough.
And as far as other shonen, I'd argue that Fist of the North Star is even more cold and uncaring, primarily because its world is in a calamity's aftermath, resources are scarce, and it makes clear that those who are strong survive mostly by exploitation, pillaging, etc.

Nfer3 years ago1

Great analysis!
Your first two paragraphs explain exactly why the first part of the episode was my favorite, I really enjoyed the execution and the overall tone

ZNote3 years ago1
Thank you very much! :)
I don't ordinarily get this analytical on forums - I mostly relegate that to my profile entries for shows instead. But I figured, "Eh, it's Chainsaw Man - so why not?" :P

XeroK3 years ago7

i never said i wanted it like in aot i was saying that animating in 2d doesnt ruin the fluidity of the animation like you said
but still, it could have been better. they hyped the anime so much with the trailers and never used CGIs in the previews but then all we could see in the anime was CGI
i know its harder to hand draw everyframe but for a studio that sacrificed aots animation saying that they were working on chainsaw man just to end up with a shittier version of aot? you cant ignore that this was fucked up

Jimi3 years ago6
There was a bit of CGI in the trailer. With that said, the CGI wasn't bad at all. Y'all cry and complain about everything in the show, but you are still gonna watch it.
Schmarmin3 years ago1
What are you even talking about? There was clearly CGI in the trailers. And obviously 2D scenes can be fluid too, it just takes much more time. Levi vs Kenny or Levi vs Beast Titan were once in a lifetime experiences created by an really outstanding and passionate team, but this can't be the standard for every new anime.
Besides all of that, you get 25 minutes of kino in the first episode of an anime and complain about like 8 scenes filled with really well done CGI, at this point you people just want to complain about anything that's not 10/10.
- AnotherUser3723 years ago4
  Bro you cannot tell me Levi vs Beast Titan were once in a lifetime experience as in the same show the animation in big battles manages to stay consistent and high quality. And knowing how hyped up this anime was, claming to have 22k something hand drawn frames in the first ep and showing specially the scenes with less cgi in the trailers you can cearly see how it was missleading. But what was most jarring wasnt the in fight battle scenes, it was the close ups at the end, like why would you even do that in cgi where its most visible, and then change to 2d for the transformation. Don't get me wrong I loved this ep but the cgi could have def been better.
- XeroK3 years ago2
  stop meat riding. the anime was great i still love it and will still watch it but it could be better
  criticizing isnt a bad thing my guy
  grow up and get off the meat
- Avadacannon3 years ago
  Really well done CGI? you're trippin ahhaahah

PandaMane3 years ago9

Do you realize how much easier it is to hand animate a guy with a couple swords than a dude that literally has chainsaws in place of his head and arms?

wiredmatt3 years ago
They surely don't even know how to draw stickmen properly.

Azuraug3 years ago1

This just shows you haven't watched the right shows. This is entirely incorrect because there are so many action fights that are 2D that have insane fluidity.

Zigeuninja3 years ago13
I have watched a lot of shows with great 2D animation but people are acting as though CGI ruins the entire show. 2D animation with fluid animation is very much possible but
1. we've only seen a single episode so we can't really judge it yet
2. the non CG parts look absolutely incredible
3. the CG itself looks a lot better than most CG used in anime and besides Denji's model, it's hard to notice unless you pay attention to it
- moorvi3 years ago8
  It's definitely possible to notice the CGI without paying attention to it. It feels unnatural. The city's backgrounds, the cars, the people walking by, not to mention the zombies and Denji during the cutscene, it's all awfully noticeable. The CGI did ruin the fight scene and some other scenes.
  - Zigeuninja3 years ago7
    You can notice the cars but lets be honest 99% of cars in anime are full CG and the city, really? That's just bs
    moorvi3 years ago
    It ain't BS. Just look at the buildings in that picture. They feel out of place.
  - Removed3 years ago2
    [Removed]
    moorvi3 years ago2
    I disagree. The corridor felt lazily done, as if they made the objects' models as simple as possible and then pasted a default texture over it - it felt soulless and out of place. The city's houses (4:22 to 4:29, 8:39 - 8:41, 10:01 - 10:21) too felt soulless and alienated. However, some other CGI backgrounds like Denji's hut or that abandoned factory were nicely done, specially the hut.

AnotherUser3723 years ago1

OR, they could have just given themselves more time, because having seen the team behind the anime I'm certain they could've done the battle more fluidly (idk if thats a word) than what they did without the use of cgi. Plus the most annoying use of cgi for me was when it was static, which would have been easy to fix, like denji's and pochita's close ups.

Parabellum3 years ago2

You don't sacrifice fluidity with 2D animation, it just takes more work.

Zigeuninja3 years ago
Yea maybe a little too much work if you want all 2D fights to look as fluid as this fight scene...
- Parabellum3 years ago1
  I would say that's simply a matter of the studio and their budget. A modern example, Ufotable's season 1 of Demon Slayer had great fight scenes and they were running on the standard anime two-cour budget, they used 2D and CG quite masterfully.
  - Zigeuninja3 years ago
    well yea but Ufotable is like THE studio when it comes to good animation. You can't expect every anime to look like a 10/10. I'm not saying CSM doesn't have any flaws but I think it looks great and a few CGI scenes wont change my mind
    Parabellum3 years ago
    That's fair enough. I just don't agree with the belief that 2D animation cannot be done fluidly, it's simply not true. It may take more money, more work or more skilled animators, but it just depends. That's really the only gripe I had with your comment taking a shot at 2D animation quality vs CGI.

Avadacannon3 years ago2

you are mentally ill

Zigeuninja3 years ago1
no Im very much fine thanks

Giesu3 years ago1

stop lying to urself mate. This is fking Chainsaw Man. It's not unreasonable for us to have our standards set high to the point where we don't expect noticable CGI for close up shots. It's ruined the vibe of the fight scene for me honestly.

Zigeuninja3 years ago
k

Jphen3 years ago5

If you're unable to notice CGI that's on you lmao, if you've watched a decent amount of anime you'll be almost instantly noticing when they use 3D animation, and in Chainsaw Man it was hugely noticeable in the action scenes.

ToddHarry2583 years ago

@JudasLibrary

give the animators and staff like another year to work on it instead of rushing everything with this awful CGI? just maybe

the manga publisher won't agree for that since they want to sell the anime in time also CGi costed mappa money so probably will cost more time and money for mappa to animate it again in 2D.

GrayTaku3 years ago5

THIS. JUST THIS. WE WERE GIVEN SOUP INSTEAD OF PIZZA. I was SO let down after seeing the first episode vs the trailer. They tried to market it and hide the CGI completely

rGaspar3 years ago5
the trailer had a lot of cgi, they didnt hide it

poggyfroggy3 years ago10

I'm totally okay with CGI in anime especially if it's done well like dorohedoro for instance. But..what we saw in this episode was... kinda wack after all the hype ngl. Hope they're just saving all the great animation for the bigger parts.

LeonardoMJP3 years ago3

You're right, the worst part is that many people deify Mappa, even though they clearly are overworking his employees and using CGI to make more series in the shortest possible time, in order to make quick money.
I can imagine, if Jujutsu Kaisen S2 is downgraded with CGI animation (I hope not) I'll see people saying "Thank you Mappa" and not sarcastically, really.

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